Is our Old Testament Bible the same as the Lord’s and is our New Testament the same as the Bible of the church fathers? The Father was God of the son. Joe, I must respectfully disagree in very strong terms. Is not the reality that just about every Protestant takes a Bible already made and, by implication, accepts that the people who put it together are infallible? The canon of Scripture was written early, determined early, and has been unchanged since those times. The Alexandrinus has only begotten son. The previous chapter concluded that it is especially the written words of God in the Bible to which we are to give our attention. But they also recognized that other writings of the New Testament were Scripture and on a par with the Old Testament. The 24 Books of Judaism are equivalent to the 39 Books common to all Christian Old Testaments, for Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, and Ezra-Nehemiah were each divided into two parts in the Christian canons, and the one Book of the Twelve Prophets was split into twelve books, one for each prophet. His focus on isn’t ensuring that they have all of the right books, but that they read the books rightly. When Luther did not see a biblical basis in Rome’s statements, or thought that they even contradicted the biblical message, he began to think of the pope as the Antichrist. Just as Melchizedek was a different person to God. 1. NOW, you can argue it is BAD HISTORY, and I agree, but we need to portray this perspective. All these employ the word in the metaphorical sense of a rule, norm, or standard. So God revealed it not Jesus, so they are two different spirits. J. Hampton Keathley III, Th.M. The responsibility of the church was simply to attest to the fact of their inspiration. The question naturally arises, what process and by what means did the early church recognize which books were canonical and which books were not? I really appreciate your tracking that down for me. They are so well-argued and challenging to this Anglican. What was done because of that belief was also good. http://www.dukhrana.com/peshitta/analyze_verse.php?verse=John+1:18&font=Estrangelo+Edessa&size=150. 43:11). Craig – However, a sola scriptura view DOES NOT mean everyone should be extrapolating their own doctrines from the Scripture. The word canon, in classical Greek, is properly a straight rod, "a rule" in the widest sense, and especially in the phrases "the rule of the Church," "the rule of faith," "the rule of truth," The first direct application of the term canon to the Scriptures seems to be in the verses of Amphilochius (cir. believe that the Canon of the Old Testament is the rule of faith, the standard for judging all controversies of religion. For those of us who aren’t natural scholars, it isn’t a term you hear much in Christian circles these days.Well, the literal meaning of theGreek term kanon, from which we derive the English word canon, is simply “reed”.But through culture, years, and usage, this word evolved to mean something more. 12:43: after this he took a collection from them individually, amounting to nearly two thousand drachmas, and sent it to Jerusalem to have a sacrifice for sin offered, an action altogether fine and noble, prompted by his belief in the resurrection. . 12:26-27; Exodus 3:6). But, this is incorrect. Yet we remain (sometimes tenuously it must be said) part of the same body. Mike17 – excellent points. For Caesar’s Gallic War (composed between 58 and 50 B.C) there are several extant MSS, but only nine or ten are good, and the oldest is some 900 years later than Caesar’s day. So anybody who actually, seriously, believes in sola scriptura has to read every book which is in the Bible and decide for himself whether or not he agrees that they are all inspired AND THEN go off and read all the other books which have at one time or another been considered to be inspired and decide which of those books he considers to be inspired. Ultimately, Scripture is the test of everything; it is the Christian's standard. Regarding the Church’s relationship to the Petrine passages in Scripture, a few thoughts on the irony. There are some here (Maybe one?) When you cannot just deny the canonicity of it, you bring specious exegesis-cum-translation to fit a square peg in a round hole. The church fathers accepted the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament. Since the books were inspired when they were written, they were already canonical and possessed authority as being a part of God’s Word. When asked “do you believe your church is the true church”, one guy answered: “I never thought about it. Athanasius wrote, “for divine Scripture is sufficient above all things” (De Synodis, Chapter 6) and in a dozen chapters in this same book, quoted councils that would reject any doctrine that they did not find explicitly in the Scriptures. Most people a Trinitarians for reasons other than logical deductions made from the Scripture. For example, Martin Luther argued at the Diet of Worms, that “councils contradict one another so that we, who build on them, ultimately no longer know where pope, council, Church, Christ, or we must stand.” But Church Councils, the papacy, and Sacred Tradition are the tools by which the Church leads believers to the common destination of orthodoxy, and of ensuring that everyone was interpreting the Scriptural (and Traditional) data in a harmonious way. 2 Macc 12 explicitly does not endorse anything other than Maccebeus’ prayer being good because it had in view the resurrection of the dead. I read the blog you linked to in your post. 10 I was cast on You from the womb, from My mother’s belly, You are My God (Psalm 22 – GLT). It only means that the only doctrines we can be certain of are revealed in the Scripture. If it could not avail the dead it would be stupid for them to pray and request sacrifices! So the holy spirit and the Son are not co-equal and are different beings. NOW, you can argue it is BAD HISTORY, and I agree, but we need to portray this perspective.”, I argued no such thing. In most things I read, the underlying belief is simply that true doctrine is as unreacheable as the ultimate scientific truth, that doctrines are just conjectures, falsifiable hypotheses, or (at the same time!) Period. Indeed, the Masoretes (traditionalists) who between A.D 600 and 950 added accents and vowel points and in general standardized the Hebrew text, devised complicated safeguards for the making of copies (as described above) … When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, they gave us a Hebrew text from the second to first century B.C. ), the Aramaic Targums (paraphrases and quotes of the Old Testament), quotations in early Christian writers, and the Latin translation of Jerome (A.D. 400) which was made directly from the Hebrew text of his day. On the whole, was the book accepted by the church at large? Rejection by the Jewish Community. It was the Lutherans that went out of the Church and broke its unity. Given your own preference for the KJV’s language, you might consider a devotional “KJV with Apocrypha” (like this one). That is why in the “Encyclopaedia of Protestantism” by Hans Hillerbrand, GEORGE H.SHRIVER, calls protestantism the “most graphic of heretical movements”. Though their eyes may be blind to its truth (Isa. After all, Paul must have written many letters during his lifetime in addition to the ones that are in the New Testament; yet the church did not include them in the canon. I believe that the canon exists as canon because it was the received corpus of sacred literature. In fact, the word canon means "a rule, standard, or measuring rod." Rev – how long would it take for a Lutheran Reverend to be “excommunicated” from your Lutheran church once he started denying Luther’s view on salvation, baptism, authority etc…? Although each book was canon in God's eyes as it was written, the canon had to be identified by religious … It’s no longer the case; it’s deliberate. 53. The Alexandrinus is 5th century, whereas the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus are 4th century codices. I bought myself a Douay-Rheims and an RSV, but I’m not really happy with either one. David is speaking as Jesus here (hence JP Green uses a capital Y for ‘you’. Certainly not sola scriptura, sola fide, &c; Presbyterianism, “Baptistism”, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Mormonism, Calvinism, Adventism, etc etc. I was trying to show restraint myself and encourage others to also show Christian charity towards others. With the Reformers, the emphasis becomes ensuring that everyone begins from the same starting place: the Bible alone. Wish I could find it with the Deutero-Canon included. None are from the Apocrypha. Required fields are marked *. For almost twenty years after the ascension of Christ none of the books of the New Testament were even written and about sixty-five years elapsed before the last New Testament book was written. If you want to persuade a Protestant that prayers for the souls in Purgatory are a proper part of Christian prayer, it won’t suffice (as it might have for, e.g., a Christian of the fourth century) to show that it’s been part of Christian Liturgy and prayer from the very beginning, or that the Church has routinely reaffirmed the orthodoxy and import of these prayers. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: Father, I thank you that you have heard me. So God and Jesus have two different wills. The evidence shows that the Bible is unique and that God is its author. Citing a handful of doubters is nothing compared to an ocean of people who either accepted, endorsed, or didn’t care much. This means that no other document of antiquity even begins to approach such numbers and attestation. Thank you so much! κατ’ DOWN/ACCORDING TO/AS PER (+ACC), AGAINST (+GEN) ἀνδρολογίαν εἰς INTO (+ACC) ἀργυρίου PIECE OF SILVER (GEN) δραχμὰς DRACHMAS/DRACHMAI (ACC) δισχιλίας TWO THOUSAND (ACC) ἀπέστειλεν HE/SHE/IT-SEND-FORTH-ED εἰς INTO (+ACC) Ιεροσόλυμα JERUSALEM (NOM|ACC|VOC), JERUSALEM (NOM|VOC) προσαγαγεῖν TO-BRING περὶ ABOUT (+ACC,+GEN) ἁμαρτίας SIN (GEN), SINS (ACC) θυσίαν SACRIFICE (ACC) πάνυ καλῶς WELL/RIGHTLY καὶ AND ἀστείως πράττων WHILE TRANSACT?-ING (NOM) ὑπὲρ ABOVE (+ACC), ON BEHALF OF (+GEN) ἀναστάσεως RESURRECTION (GEN) διαλογιζόμενος WHILE BEING-DELIBERATE-ED (NOM). Peter likewise attested to Paul’s writings as Scripture in 2 Peter 3:15-16. Indeed, I’ve heard several Protestants claim that Maccabees couldn’t be inspired, because it contains “heresies”…. Are any books included that should not be in our Bible? When Athanasius wrote in A.D. 367 he cited the twenty-seven books of the New Testament as being the only true books. … By the time of the New Testament this three-fold division was recognized (Luke 24:44). 3. But the same guy who said that truth mattered said that we could never be certain of anything, and that nothing could be proved with certainty, and since Christians can never be certain of any doctrines in which they disagree, those doctrines are mere differences that don’t matter. “thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, “doing therein very well and honestly, in that he was mindful of the resurrection”, “thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,”. For other articles on canonicity, see our web page at www.bible.org under “Theology,” and then under “Bibliology--The Doctrine of the Written Word.”. Other early checks on the Hebrew text include the Septuagint translation (middle of third century B.C. Of course, this doesn’t work in real life, which is why there are so many Protestant denominations (not 33,000, but an enormous number nevertheless). In fact, both Peter and Paul set this example in their final letters.2 Peter 1:12-2:1 goes into detail how Scripture, not a bishopric or a live in tradition, is the safeguard against false prophets. So they have no ‘unity of Godhead’. 18 Qeo.n ouvdei.j e`w,raken pw,pote\ o` monogenh.j ui`o,j( o` w’n eivj to.n ko,lpon tou/ patro,j( evkei/noj evxhgh,satoÅ (John 1 BYZ) Ergo, contradictory interpretations of practice and faith don’t matter, what matters is the kernel of truth, just as I’ve seen here before in Joe’s blog: belief that Jesus died for your sins ipso facto saves you. So there is no ‘unity of Godhead’. Jamnia. Must he not be always ready to receive better information ; must he not admit the possibility, that by nature study of Scripture another result may be obtained, then that which has already been arrived at?” Your email address will not be published. Accordingly, canon indicates what books are accepted as the authoritative word of God, while giving us the image of measuring our lives against the Scripture. In essence then, Christ was saying “from the first to the last murder in the Bible.” This was equivalent to saying from Genesis to Malachi and demonstrated what He considered as the canon of the Old Testament. The 39 books of the Old Testament form the Bible of Judaism, while the Christian Bible includes those books and also the 27 books of the New Testament. It is a pleasure to be able to reveal the truth behind this despicable mind game that the Roman Catholic Church has relied on for 1700 years. 23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. After all, listen to how St. John explains the role of his Gospel: “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:30-31). One might be curious about the reasons it is popular, or more importantly, how did it come about. Just how reliable are the New Testament documents? Only the books of the canon are considered authoritative in matters of faith and practice. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come (Matthew 12). When the Reformation happens, you have something very similar to this: a sudden new X appears that was without historical precedent. It’s the name of the game in your town for the last 500 years. This is why there are only 24 books in the Hebrew Bible today. There are some (a couple, maybe?) What is heresy in such an intelectual (or anti-intelectual) environment? Luke, as a close associate of the Apostle Paul, wrote under the endorsement of his authority. 42 True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth (John 11). The Codex Bezae has John 1:17 to John 3:15 missing and comes in with the only begotten son of John 3:16 – How convenient! You cannot say: Martin Luther, John Calvin (or whoever) taught this so I believe it. I understand that if that medicinal action is taken the person still must attend the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass and continue as a catholic by supporting the parish/community he/she belongs to. Given this, it makes sense that Jesus, the Apostles, and the Church Fathers seem less interested in debating the details of which books are in the Biblical canon. Even in theory it was an impossibility. Which church would you take this guy to? Here’s what he wrote in his preface to the New Testament in which he ascribes to the several books of the New Testament different degrees of doctrinal value. And why isn’t it the case today? 18 qeo.n ouvdei.j e`w,raken pw,pote\ o` monogenh.j ui`o.j o` w’n eivj to.n ko,lpon tou/ patro,j( evkei/noj evxhgh,satoÅ (John 1 TIS) 3:16) and that “no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Pet. The fact of the many documents plus the fact that many of the New Testament documents are very early (hundreds of parchment copies from the 4th and 5th centuries with some seventy-five papyri fragments dating from A.D. 135 to the 8th century) assures us we have a very accurate and reliable text in the New Testament. Ryrie summarizes these issues as follows: 1. 1:20-21). Then we have 2 TIm 3:10-4:5, where Paul teaches the exact same thing. http://aleteia.org/2016/03/18/former-lutheran-pastor-why-i-am-becoming-catholic/. Between conservative Presbyterians and their liberal Presbyterians counterparts, for example, you’ll find disputes over everything from the morality of abortion to the historicity of the Resurrection… differences much larger than the differences between conservative Presbyterians and conservative Baptists, or between liberal Presbyterians and liberal Anglicans. He says: You are my God. Further, as Joe and I already argued on 2 Maccabees, it is arguable that 2 Maccabees 12 speaks of prayers to the dead (or Tobit and Sirach of satisfaction, and etcetera). 8:31; 23:6). Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. If the victim is prepared to believe that one is three and that a father is his own son and that a son is uncreated, then he is prepared to believe anything at all and so he is fully brainwashed. That God would provide and preserve a Canon of Scripture without addition or deletion is not only necessary, but it is logically credible. One reason I even started to post on this blog was because there seemed to be a lack of respect or true understanding of other denominations in the comments (yes, that can certainly go both ways). The book should bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit.”72, (2) Authentication on the human side. God made the Jews the custodians of the Old Testament record. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I agree with you about the existence of Reformed communities which are as doctrinally strict as Roman Catholicism, and with less justification (since they lack the sort of authority needed to be making the sort of declarations that they make). Scripture is God-breathed, and it's life's final and ultimate authority. P.S. 64 Frederick W. Danker, Multipurpose Tools For Bible Study, Concorida Publishing House, St. Louis, 1960, p. 57. The reason for this is that the Protestant canon of the Old Testament has been influenced by the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint (LXX) made about 250-160 B.C. Three issues were important here: (a) Was the author an apostle or did he have the endorsement of an apostle? to the time of Malachi (400 B.C.). In comparison, the Iliad by Homer is second with only 643 manuscripts that still survive. So, for you, the temple accepting that request for sacrifices meant nothing? Col. 4:16; 1 Thess. The reason I ask is because what you’re saying about sola scriptura is not true. (3) Was the book historically accurate? The Twelve Minor Prophets were divided into twelve, instead of being counted as one book as in the twenty-four book division. was a 1966 graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary and a former pastor of 28 years. ], and so on. Deltaflute is right about my personal preferences. The word canon is used to describe those books recognized as inspired of God. In certain contexts, I like the older English of the KJV or Douay-Rheims, but for regular reading and blog citation, I like the RSV:CE. It is crucial for Christians to trust that the books in the Bible are God’s very words, have absolute authority, and are without error. That is, from the earliest point that we see Christianity on the scene, it’s being put forward by a visible community built around (and constituting) an institutional Church. This is particularly significant in view of the fact there other murders of God’s messengers recorded in the Apocrypha, but the Lord excludes them suggesting He did not consider the books of the Apocrypha to belong in the Canon as with the books from Genesis to 2 Chronicles. 10:16 the word darash is the middle word in the Torah, and at 11:42 we are assured that the waw in a Hebrew word there is the middle letter. 3. And since the Gospel never changes, we have our answer. 45-46. It is just easier to deny prayers for the dead and Purgatory if you deny that Maccabees is not an inspired book. 23 He said to them: You will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father (Matthew 20). The first complete preserved text of Homer dates from the 13th century.74. The following summarizes the tests used to discern which books were canonical. Symbolism -Johann Adam Mohler, Your email address will not be published. That is, the canon refers to the books regarded as … TEO, I like how you ask a question for getting further to the truth. I shall no longer make the case that you bear ill intentions out of ignorance against Joe’s assertion above. James was undoubtedly the first, being written between 45-50 A.D., and Revelation was most surely the last, being written about 90 A.D. (c) Minute statistics were also kept as a further means of guarding against errors: in the Hebrew Bible at Leviticus 8:8, the margin has a reference that this verse is the middle verse of the Torah. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares [Him]. Only explicit statements of Scripture. Clement of Rome (c. A.D. 95) mentioned at least eight New Testament books in a letter; Ignatius of Antioch (c. A.D. 115) also acknowledged about seven books; Polycarp, a disciple of John, (c. A.D. 108), acknowledged fifteen letters. Therefore, if different emphases do not require maintaining the present division of the churches, then Lutherans shoulld not maintain it. It was that they denied the Deuterocanon and denied the doctrines that portion of Scripture taught. The church fathers. Josh. This is plainly a false insult both to God and to his Son. Before the Reformation, major figures had indicated the ecclesial plurality of interpreters…When Vatican II speaks of the church having an ‘ultimate judgment’ (DV 12) it clearly eschews a monopolistic claim that the magisterium is the sole organ of interpretation, which is confirmed both by the century-old official promotion of Catholic biblical studies and the recognition in DV 12 of the role of exegesis in the maturing of magisterial teaching” (ApC 407). The Hebrew Bible of today is substantially the same as the original writings, with only physical changes like the addition of vowel pointings, reading aids in the margins, and a change to a more open form of the letters, etc. Now, the thing I find misleading about the article is that it implies that if you had an expanded Canon, these Catholic doctrines would be forgone conclusions. And now you’re saying it means we should not extrapolate from the scriptures? You both disagree with one another…Scripture tells you to take it to the church. You cannot find those “doctrines” there. In acting in this way, the early Christians were following the pattern laid down by Christ. Rather, I argued that “With the Reformation, you simultaneously see the rejection of 2 Maccabees as Scripture and the rejection of some of its teachings — so it becomes critically important to establish whether or not 2 Maccabees is orthodox and inspired.”. (2) The content of the New Testament writings testified to their authenticity and they naturally were collected, being recognized as canonical. Therefore, St. James’ Epistle is a perfect straw-epistle compared with them, for it has in it nothing of an evangelic kind.” Thus Luther was comparing (in his opinion) doctrinal value, not canonical validity.71. 18 qeo.n ouvdei.j e`w,raken pw,pote\ o` monogenh.j ui`o,j( o` w’n eivj to.n ko,lpon tou/ patro.j evkei/noj evxhgh,sato (John 1 STE) How do you hand over something to yourself? They are folowing doctrines from someone else who extrapolated their own doctrines from scripture. My favorite translation has been the KJV for many years, and giving up the comfort of familiar words and phrasing has been very difficult. It provides us with an advantage in every department of life—family, business, and personal relationships. They have always been a people of one book who have guarded it with extreme care and precision. (John 1 NWT) The Council of Jamnia in A.D. 90 is generally considered the occasion whereby the Old Testament canon was publicly recognized (while debating the canonicity of several books). Of course, this raises the question of whether or not something can become a Christian teaching through gradual acceptance. The Catholic response is fast and fierce, denouncing Marcionism as the heresy that it is, and affirming that the God of the Old Testament is one and the same good God as the God of the New. 10:25; Isa. 3For the historical developments and factors involved, see esp. 61. If X was false yesterday, it can’t become true tomorrow without changing the Gospel. No Bible book became canonical by action of some church council. 3. Probably 90% of the population could not read and even less had access to written Scripture in the 1400s and no one probably had the access to early Christian writings like we do today. This twenty-four book division in its three-fold division which became the thirty-nine book division is as follows: (1) The Law or The Pentateuch (5 books)—Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, (2) The Prophets (originally 8 books, then 21), (3) The Writings (originally 11 books, then 13). The Council of Hippo (A.D. 393) recognized the twenty-seven books, and the Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) affirmed that only those canonical books were to be read in the churches.70. 18 God no one has seen ever; the only-begotten son, that being in the bosom of the Father, he has made known. The criterion for acknowledging the Pentateuch was whether it was from God’s servant, Moses. 36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24). It is important for Protestants that the canon doesn’t include the full 73 books of the Catholic Bible. I always enjoy your articles. unprovable beliefs. There are many Protestant apologetics saying that “The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead”. By the way, your Baptist faith is against it, and some Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists and Episcopalians are for it. You say: “However, a sola scriptura view DOES NOT mean everyone should be extrapolating their own doctrines from the Scripture. That is just considering the content, without even taking into consideration the far greater variety of covers, sizes, and printing formats available to a Protestant. He, too, skipped an obvious opportunity to set the canon of Scripture. Hampton wrote many articles for the Biblical Studies Foundation and on... More. One cannot be a priest of oneself. If so, then tell that to your fellow Protestants. However, Augustine’s testimony makes it clear that BOTH 1. the lived in experience of the Church did not settle this issue in his time and 2. the Scripture did not settle the issue. 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